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Offline sha

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Xsara 2.0 HDI automatic transmission
« on: February 26, 2009, 02:26:12 am »
Hello, I have 2002 Xsara 2.0 HDI 110 hp with automatic transmission, I think it's a AL4 gearbox.
I have constant problems with the gearbox:the rev's are going normal but the car won't accelerate, also sometime slips out of gear, there is no power and the car is too loud even on 2000 rpm.
But sometimes it runs very well like a new car it is depending from the start( I can know by sound from the start).

I have change transmission oil and el. valves on the gearbox but nothing happened.

Do you have any idea what can be solution, and if the gearbox is ready for overhauling why sometimes runs great and sometime bad?

The mileage is around 180K km.
I am also considering changing to manual gearbox, so is this possible and what parts I need to find
because the machanic said to me over the telephone: that fixing the auto gearbox will cost around 1300 eur without knowing the problem.
This is a big problem for me because I like this car very much,but service for this gearbox is way too expensive.

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Re: Xsara 2.0 HDI automatic transmission
« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2009, 03:31:42 am »
This really is a specialist job. That gearbox has done 112,000 miles. I'd guess the internals have got pretty worn by now.

Have you had any warning lights come up on the dash? The main one to watch for is both the sport and the snow lights on together. I'm surprised you've had no previous warning.

You say you have changed the fluid. I presume this was after the car started running strangely. What fluid did you use?
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Re: Xsara 2.0 HDI automatic transmission
« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2009, 01:09:01 pm »
What fluid did you use?

Thats a good question as you can just use normal ATF in this gearbox, it will destroy it in no time. There is a specific oil for this box. What condition was the oil that came out of it ? smelling burnt ? bits in it ?
Next question is who done the oil change & the pressure regulation electrovalves ? The oil level has to be pretty much exact & has to be checked when the oil is at 60 degrees celcius, to do that you really need decent diagnostic equipment. After the the pressure reg electrovalves have been replaced the gearbox ECU software should always be updated as the new modified valves are incompatable with older software versions.

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Re: Xsara 2.0 HDI automatic transmission
« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2009, 05:09:46 pm »
I had a warning lights alarm (snow and sport lights blinking) and the car slip out off gear and go into limp mode,but the in Citroen service they told me: that is the sign to change ATF. They change ATF (old oil was black but no particles in it ), they also synchronize ECU with the gearbox. Now I dont have warning lights ,but car is not performing good, Sometimes when the AC is on the gearbox stuck between 2nd and 3rd gear and there is grinding noise.

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Re: Xsara 2.0 HDI automatic transmission
« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2009, 10:04:58 pm »
I'll guess you may well have particles in it now.  :(

If they changed it and it's not running right, it's got to go back to them or an automatic transmission expert to get it properly seen to. I would use a specialist. Citroen will probably just tell you that you need a new box.
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Re: Xsara 2.0 HDI automatic transmission
« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2009, 02:07:53 am »
I'll guess you may well have particles in it now.  :(

If they changed it and it's not running right, it's got to go back to them or an automatic transmission expert to get it properly seen to. I would use a specialist. Citroen will probably just tell you that you need a new box.

Exactly, I think new one is around 4000 Eur. so I will probably go for the conversion to manual.
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Re: Xsara 2.0 HDI automatic transmission
« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2011, 07:49:07 am »
Sorry to bring a topic back from dead but I have a similar problem..

My car has been misfiring and having issues with hesitation and rough idling.. it starts okay but after 10-15 mins running it starts to have problems with accelerating..

I called the citroen dealer to book it in to have  a look at it but he said it sounds like a dirty fuel injector and recommended a fuel injection service.. I had  a fuel injector service done today by a mobile mechaince (I know....NEVER again) but when I took it out for a drive the problem is still there, but the issue with the snow and speed warning lights flashing has also appeared (mobile mechanic's magic... hey alliteration!) SO! Any ideas on what could be wrong? Please help I'm close to tears and looking for a corolla to buy  :'( I'm gonna do it mannn! I'm gonna!

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Re: Xsara 2.0 HDI automatic transmission
« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2011, 11:51:44 am »
2 different problems, in my opinion.

First one is due to engine by the sound of it, but whether an injector service would make a blind bit of difference, I know not. I'd have suggested checking the coil pack,which tends to throw up rough running once it's been working a while.

The 2 lights, snow & sport, coming on together is detailed in the Owner's Handbook. Being a (slightly) smart gearbox, it has various sensors for assessing the transmission fluid. That warning is telling you that the box needs servicing, and probably a fluid change.
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Re: Xsara 2.0 HDI automatic transmission
« Reply #8 on: June 09, 2011, 09:00:26 am »
Hello guys i also am having a fault with my 1.6 gearbox, the gearbox was repaired last year by a specialist after a bearing inside collapsed once it was repaired i had changed its oil and reset its counter in the ECU, when i drive the car around town its fine until i drive out of town then it will shunt into limp mode and the sport and snow lights flash together until you switch off and restart the engine.

It has been check on my snap on diagnostic tool and i get a fault of pressure control solenoid come up, was wondering if you guys have any ideas what i can do that wont cost me nearly ?300 to replace the valves and reprogram the ECU?

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Re: Xsara 2.0 HDI automatic transmission
« Reply #9 on: June 09, 2011, 09:25:22 am »
Sounds like you need to knock on the specialist's door again.

As far as I can see, the electro-valves aren't too pricey in themselves - 30 or 60 quid apiece. But stripping everything out, replacing, refilling the box and reprogramming ain't going to come cheap whichever way you do it. Unless you know your way round the internals of an autobox, which would seem unlikely as you've come here to ask what to do.
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