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Re: The Basics of an Aftermarket Sound System
« Reply #15 on: December 24, 2010, 09:51:47 am »
Presuming Sony are still using the same interface setup, there's been an Autoleads one for Xsara-Sony for ever. Couldn't tell you the number but it's been mentioned on here more than any other one.
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Re: The Basics of an Aftermarket Sound System
« Reply #16 on: December 26, 2010, 10:10:27 am »
How big is the average amp for a Bass Box???
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Re: The Basics of an Aftermarket Sound System
« Reply #17 on: December 26, 2010, 04:13:25 pm »
my first amp was 500watts bridged over two channels but my current one is 5 channel 1000w  O0
 
 

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Re: The Basics of an Aftermarket Sound System
« Reply #18 on: December 26, 2010, 05:17:33 pm »
Sorry I should have said - how big (physical area) is the average amp.

I have a 900W bass box, and I am going to build a box to put the CD Changer in. Just want to find out how much more room I will need.
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Re: The Basics of an Aftermarket Sound System
« Reply #19 on: December 26, 2010, 05:35:59 pm »

Sorry I should have said - how big (physical area) is the average amp.

I have a 900W bass box, and I am going to build a box to put the CD Changer in. Just want to find out how much more room I will need.
Depends on the amp really, but a true 900W rms amp is going to take up a fair amount of space. And eat up a fair amount of current.
About 40cm x 30cm x 10cm (LxWxH), there are slimmer versions, like my Helix A1 Competition - :smitten: :smitten:...but it's about 500GBP new:))

You should always take into account the RMS wattage, as it's the only power rating that counts. MAX power is just bullshit(just like saying my 1.6 16v xsara has 200mph on the speedo...).

LE: take a look at my thread, i have built a false floor in my boot and stored all my stuff there, it should give you an idea or two...
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Re: The Basics of an Aftermarket Sound System
« Reply #20 on: December 26, 2010, 07:11:51 pm »
Informative post:

I was thinking about the issues of high wattage amps and set-ups.
Food for thought:
Let's think how power is calculated: Watts=Volts x Amps(one of the formulas, the relevant one here)...
Let's take a 1000w RMS amplifier.
1000w=13.8V x 72.46Amps
Who here has a 72amp alternator? Or if you do, what happens when you turn the blower on(if it works :idiot2:) and the headlights, and the wipers, and the rear window heater....?
Even without an amplifier most xsara alternators can barely cope with all that power consumption. If this happens the battery supplies the remaining current(when the voltage drops below ~12.5V), thus, even with the engine running, your battery is discharging. Add an amplifier to all this and you get the point.
Of course this is a rare scenario, but it happens... and when it does, your 1000w amp will put out less power than rated, and a lot more distortion in the form of clipping.
When an amplifier clips the signal it means that the AC waveform(for ex a clean sine wave) that it should output slowly turns into a square waveform.
If this happens, during the time the signal is clipped, the speaker voice coil gets a lot of power but it doesn't move. A voice coil cools itself when moving. Result > burnt voice coil > bye bye speaker...
The idea is that it's not healthy to run a big amp with an inappropiately sized charging system. Or wires that are too small for the job. Think AWG2 or around 30mm2 sized wiring if you want that power. There is no such thing as a cable that is too thick. Also, a very important thing to consider is the fuse. if you have a cable that can take 100Amps for example, you should put a fuse SMALLER that that.(In case of short circuit it's the fuse that melts, not the cable...most basic electrical rule...FUSE everything, especially in an environment as hostile as a car, and especially a xsara >:D :2funny:)
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Re: The Basics of an Aftermarket Sound System
« Reply #21 on: December 27, 2010, 09:05:00 am »
Don't worry I did Physics at University (and a Member of The Institute of Physics).

Just doing my research before spending my hard earned cash.

I understand Amp's (disco/home surround sustems) but never played with car amps (must be one of the few 37 year olds who haven't) Up till now it's been either factory fitted stereo's, or a 60's wireless with positive earth running two speakers (Now that must have been very powerful for 1966.
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Re: The Basics of an Aftermarket Sound System
« Reply #22 on: December 27, 2010, 11:22:51 am »
Don't worry I did Physics at University (and a Member of The Institute of Physics).

Just doing my research before spending my hard earned cash.

I understand Amp's (disco/home surround sustems) but never played with car amps (must be one of the few 37 year olds who haven't) Up till now it's been either factory fitted stereo's, or a 60's wireless with positive earth running two speakers (Now that must have been very powerful for 1966.
Positive earth, now that's old, always wandered why on all modern HU and amps there's a sticker: negative ground only! O0 ....
Anyway, it was a general informative post. Car audio is almost the same thing as home/pro audio, but with one major drawback... it's in a car... you have limited space, current, harsh conditions, etc...
What I strongly recommend is to sound-proof your doors/boot/everything if you can afford it, it makes a HUGE difference.
Look up SilentCoat, actually here: http://www.caraudiodirect.co.uk/silent-coat-mat-bulk-pack.html
It's totally worth it. To cover up the xsara coupe doors(both parts, inside and out) you need exactly 20 sheets, so that leaves you with another 20 you can use for your trunk(useful when you got bass+ reduces LOADS of road noise). My doors went from making a "tiiing" sound, to "bonk". :uglystupid2: :o
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Re: The Basics of an Aftermarket Sound System
« Reply #23 on: December 27, 2010, 11:20:30 pm »
Simples.

When I'm working on a car I'm on first principles from what I have learnt. A 1966 Wolseley 16/60, and what 2 ex WW2 RAF mechanics taught my dad and myself.

After that I'm on the learning curve.
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Re: The Basics of an Aftermarket Sound System
« Reply #24 on: December 27, 2010, 11:40:54 pm »
Yup, I grew up on positive earth too - had to retrain my brain many years ago, tho' I have to admit very occasionally  I do have to double-check myself.

And re the alternator output, of course you know the answer. Unless you're running the thing at full blast, which I really doubt, then you won't be demanding the full amp output, except perhaps in transients. But certainly uprating to a diesel alternator and battery won't do any harm. Might make a little 1.4 engine struggle a bit tho'.
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Re: The Basics of an Aftermarket Sound System
« Reply #25 on: December 28, 2010, 12:03:27 am »
Dont think I'll be at full blast with the bass box.

I'm not 17 anymore. Make Classic FM a bit better though.
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Re: The Basics of an Aftermarket Sound System
« Reply #26 on: December 28, 2010, 02:32:53 pm »
Dont think I'll be at full blast with the bass box.

I'm not 17 anymore. Make Classic FM a bit better though.
well, if you want good sq you could buy a set of components in the front and soundproof the doors. And a small amp to power them.
A 10" sub in a sealed box powered with 150W could be enough.
Clean and can get loud.
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Re: The Basics of an Aftermarket Sound System
« Reply #27 on: December 28, 2010, 09:29:02 pm »
Yes the plans are afoot at the moment

New speakers needed - now 50W per channel as opposed to Xsara original.

Bass box amp - keeping the feelers out on ebay.

Going to need to soundproof doors et cetera (there rearky bad I know. Scaring the neighbours ar 7am Sunday with The Rasmus

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Re: The Basics of an Aftermarket Sound System
« Reply #28 on: February 05, 2011, 12:48:52 am »
Yes the plans are afoot at the moment

New speakers needed - now 50W per channel as opposed to Xsara original.

Bass box amp - keeping the feelers out on ebay.

Going to need to soundproof doors et cetera (there rearky bad I know. Scaring the neighbours ar 7am Sunday with The Rasmus

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-9CI-mdB4s

so is the bass box 900W RMS or peak? if it's peak then the RMS value will probably be more like 400W, and even then you don't neccessarily need a 400W RMS amp to power it. my amp is 360W RMS and about the size of a PS3 slimline but a bit slimmer  ;D

speaking of the rasmus and subwoofers i remember once when my 205 was broken, i was pissed off at not being able to drive around blasting my tunes out so i sat in the car listening to 'in the shadows' full whack until my dad came and shouted at me  ;D  i suppose it was a bit antisocial...  unless my neighbours are all closet rasmus fans  :2funny:

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